Localization Scares

Discussion in 'Mostly Harmless (Serious Discussion)' started by Dancougar, Dec 6, 2015.

  1. Terro

    Terro Well-Known Member

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    Wait, GalGun got through to AU but... which was the one that got banned, again? Yeah that one was banned. Weird.
     
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    Hope neither gets 18+ in NA because that is effectively as good as banned, not that I plan to get either.
     
  3. Ryos

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    Gal*Gun got rated M in America.
     
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    I figured it would be, did not know it was rated. X3
     
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    Apparently EB games is pulling both Gal*Gun and SK off the shelves, which looks like a store policy since they've still got ratings on the classification website, so not banned.

    EBgames is the new WalMart maybe? Last time this happened was Target pulling GTA5 off the shelves. (Again, not a ban)
     
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    When you say "pull off shelves" do you mean that they will carry it, but it will be "hidden" and you need to ask for it,. or just not carry it at all? Apparently that's what it used to be like for Atari porn games >_>
     
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    Well, considering they're not coming up in searches on their website at all, I think it's something else. Which is lame since they paid for the exclusive physical distribution rights of Gal*Gun in Australia at least. But I'll ask at my local store today and get the news!
     
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    Back from my expedition and can confirm that both Senran Kagura and Gal*Gun were recalled by EBgames head office (so not for sale at all) and no reason given to store staff besides it looking 'hardcore tentacle stuff' on the cover.

    EDIT: So the official word from EBs is it was an internal review decision to pull both SK and GG from sale. GG having been for sale for a whole couple of hours.
     
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    Only on sale for a few hours? Did you buy either or? (I wonder if the AU version will be considered 'collectors' items' then, for those few hours of sales and that's it...)

    I love how they couldn't figure this all out until the money was spent -_-
     
  10. Akeashar

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    Nah, ordered the US Edition from Rice. :) I do have the original Australian release of GTA3 on PS2 before it got yanked off the shelves and censored, which should be a collectors item!
     
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    I find it so hilarious when countries get so scared video games are too much for their citizens. -.-
     
  13. Akeashar

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    Discovered CensoredGaming and the examples of the building censorship of Criminal Girls 2 is beyond terrible. So it's not just removing the BDSM trappings in the art, it's also removing nipple bumps and adding terrible underwear to loli characters. Blech.

    Oh well, at least we've got the $90 DLC for Gal*Gun intact :p (although apparently only in the US release and not the UK one?)
     
  14. Leon Tekashi

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    Just wanted to put down my 2 cents on censorship in general:

    I'm fine with censorship if it's necessary for localization. As in it's needed to localize a game according to the ESRB to prevent an AO rating.
     
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    I'm highly against AO rating. Is there anything being a legal adult doesn't prepare you for? Like, what can a game include that is SO horrible it must be AO? If it includes something especially scathing, just put something on the cover saying "CONTAINS NUDITY" or something along those lines. No need to censor, per se. I do agree localization is important though. Can you imagine if they kept a "semi"-sexualized Ling in Xenoblade Chronicles X? 12 year olds sexualized here = mass freak outs.
     
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    The problem isn't the AO rating itself, but the policies stores and platform-holders have in regards to the AO rating. When a game is rated AO, the vast majority of brick-and-mortar retail stores won't stock it at all (not even behind the counter), most major online retailers won't even stock it, and none of the major platform-holders (Sony, Nintendo, or Microsoft) will allow it to be sold digitally via their online stores -- which makes an AO rating basically a death sentence, since few companies are able to profit from selling console or handheld games entirely through their own privately owned retail outlets.

    The AO rating itself isn't to blame, however, as it's invariably an ACCURATE rating -- games that are rated AO undoubtedly deserve to be rated AO. Those of us who oppose censorship in gaming should really be turning our attention to the outlets that sell these games, trying to convince them that AO-rated games absolutely deserve shelf space (or virtual shelf space) just like their lower-rated counterparts.

    Until that happens, the looming specter of the AO rating will continue to haunt the industry and force publishers to censor products in order to be able to afford selling them at all.

    -Tom
     
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    Of course, I live in a country where R18+ rated games are proudly displayed on shelves... as long as they do so for over the top violence, or being an Atelier game. EBs pulling a WalMart was very unusual, considering that they've still got all the violent R games front and center. I don't see why they don't just bag the games, or have them behind the counter to stop impressionable kids getting their hands on them.

    I'm amused by the news that Criminal Girls 2 has been refused classification in Germany, one of the more progressive countries for including nudity and sexuality in their games.
     
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    Criminal Girls is a whole other ballgame and honestly, I'm not as anti-censorship there largely because the game is all sorts of WTF. When there are other games out there that don't go localized, it does make you wonder why NISA opted to localize those two games with as many significant edits as they felt were apparently necessary (at least they were transparent with those cuts for the sequel so fewer people who live and die by censorship could choose to vote with their wallet). In a world where Dungeon Travelers 2 largely - and surprisingly - went uncensored in a game that's all sorts of WTF, it does seem like a bit of a Catch 22 in so far as there's so much red tape with the ESRB process that companies are (rightfully) averse to the possibility whatever section of the game causing the game to be rated AO (M's a pretty silly reason when most people working retail don't seem to observe age requirements for the ratings, but I don't recall any recently clearly M game being censored to make T).

    As for XBC X...I still don't see there really being much of reason for that when there's another character with the exact same body type that has all the outfits intact. But you know, whatever, I couldn't really stand that character anyway and only used her when I needed to. >_>
     
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    I thought they did censor like 4 CGs. It wasn't much though. Just the usual loli coverup.
     
  20. Ryos

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    I agree with you there. Some of these games are just never going to appeal beyond the intended audience and these changes are just going to turn off those players (hello Tokyo Mirage Sessions #FE).

    Hence the largely. I know for some people it's an everything or nothing sort of deal but considering what made it intact (vast majority of the game including the audio/script for visually censored scenes), I was surprised there wasn't more.
     

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