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  1. Yotaka

    Yotaka Well-Known Member

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    If you think about it for a second, it's actually both. I'll be vague on a couple details that you haven't gotten to yet in CS3
    Emma knows that Vita is doing something with the Divine Knights. Emma also has a fairly solid grasp on where the seven Knights are and knows which ones are easy to awaken and which aren't. Four of the seven are effectively out of reach during the events of CS1 (Testa-Rossa requires an Arnor, one of the remaining three is known to be MIA, another is very difficult to locate and the last is... not one Vita wants) which leaves Valimar, Ordine and Zector. The latter of these is technically available so far as Emma knows (in truth it actually isn't by that point) but it's not located anywhere convenient so it's out regardless. Vita needs at least two Knights for what she's doing. That means that for Emma to find Vita, all she really needs to do is plant herself in either Ordis or Trista, confirm whether the local Knight is still there and then wait for Vita to come to her. Trista makes more sense because Thors is right there and it does offer the opportunity for travel if it becomes necessary.

    Yes, it's the same character in all three cases. You really shouldn't read anything into it though, it's an extremely generic one. For some details:
    The 'Thousand' thing with Kevin's new title is explicitly taken from Rufina's title. That they're the same is thus not especially eyebrow-raising. That the Fourth Anguis' title also uses it is pretty sure to be a coincidence. Like I said, the character (千) is entirely generic, it's literally just the way that 'Thousand' is written; it's also used in Testa-Rossa's nickname 'Demon with a Thousand Weapons' (千の武器を持つ魔人). The Fourth's background as sketched out in CS3 doesn't really provide any reason to imagine a link between him and Rufina.

    Now, for the longest time I was very convinced that there was a link between that Anguis title and someone else we know about, but that was before Falcom revealed that the bit in Sept Archive where they identified a part of the title (which we'd already heard in Ao) as belonging to the Fifth Anguis was a typo.
     
  2. Ghaleon

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    Not a kiseki question but the ys forum is deader than disco and I dont care about the opinions outside this forum much. But you guys play ys9 yet? How does it compare to 8?
     
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  3. Yotaka

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    Actually, I'd been meaning to poke my head in there and add something since yeah, nothing's been said there since the game game out. In very brief terms, I was blown away by a lot that the game has to offer. There are a few things that I thought VIII did better or did differently enough that comparing isn't really fair to either game (one being set on a deserted island and the other largely in the confines of a huge city make for some obvious differences) but for the most part the game is amazing and one of my favorite entries in the series easily. Given that I went in with high expectations after VIII shocked me with how much I loved it, that's saying something.

    I'll pull together something a bit more comprehensive later.
     
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  4. nivora

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    if you're talking about the status i'm thinking you're talking about it supposedly works just as how out CP works. The bosses build it up in the background and when they reach 200cp they enter that state, recover hp, buff their stats and probably will do their S-craft the next turn.
     
  5. Yotaka

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    Not exactly, the Japanese guides for CS3 and 4 give the mechanics and like I mentioned earlier it's an HP threshold thing, though different bosses have slightly different triggers. It's treated as a buffing Craft for gameplay purposes.

    Bosses in the Cold Steel games very much don't follow the rules the player does when it comes to CP, as can easily be shown any time you get an unwinnable fight where a boss will constantly spam their S-Craft until you're dead once you push them to a certain point. *grumble grumble cheating bastards*
     
  6. Ringwraith

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    It's mostly a signifier that they may now do their S-craft in my experience, they don't always unleash it next turn but they probably will before the status ends.

    So if anything it's a bit more fair now as it's not completely random they'll drop an S-craft on you like it often was in previous games.
    Them spamming it when you're meant to lose is just a fine way of making it clear you're supposed to, so I have no issues with that one.
     
  7. Yotaka

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    Oh yeah, I'm certainly not complaining about how they do that any more than I would about unbeatable bosses in Ys (and CS4) getting invulnerability once you're dragged a fight out long enough, just using it to point out that bosses in these games don't actually care about CP. Oh, and on Exaltation mechanics and S-Crafting:
    While bosses being in that state is usually an indicator of when they will and won't use an S-Craft, eventually you'll encounter bosses who will gleefully throw S-Crafts at you when they aren't in Exaltation, just to keep you on your toes.
     
  8. Ringwraith

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    Interestingly enough however, they do
    keep track of enemy BPs right as far as I can tell.
     

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