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  1. Ghaleon

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    But but, you're supposed to think there are no coincidences or needless details =P
     
  2. zwabbit

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    Regarding the Glorious, do we get a comparison with Pantagruel in terms of power?
     
  3. Yotaka

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    Well, according to Kondo himself (thanks to floofy asking him) a seeming too-cute-to-be-a-coincidence song title in The 3rd actually was a coincidence, so there's one example where there really is a coincidence in Kiseki. :p

    Not that it's going to stop me of course... xD
    Yeah, it's made abundantly clear that the Glorious is considerably more powerful than the Pantagruel.
    That said, the Pantagruel and its sister class the Gargantua are the closest thing to the Glorious out there, even if the latter is 30 meters bigger and more advanced all around. A suicidal ramming attack from the Pantagruel in order to cripple the Glorious is seen as a very fair tradeoff by Musse and Aurelia since it would hurt Ouroboros more than losing the Pantagruel would hurt Mille Mirage, though circumstances stop them from going through with it.
     
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    Physics being what it is, the notion that ramming the Pantagruel into the Glorious would only "cripple" it instead of taking it down outright either implies something very special about the Glorious, or someone's playing fast and loose with power levels again.
     
  5. Ghaleon

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    Power levels are always played fast and loose, one of the reasons why I find it a useless topic for discussion for me personally. But everyone else eats that @%#% up so meh.
     
  6. Velorien

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    What's up with Time arts? Space arts generally involve blasting people with energy. Mirage arts have a medieval/alchemy vibe to them, summoning castles and drawing magic circles and such. But Time... Time summons demons and opens hellgates. Given increasing evidence that demons/devils/fiends are real physical entities, and Gehenna, or something like it, is an actual place, do we have any information on on how Time fits into the greater Trails cosmology?
     
  7. Yotaka

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    Two points, one of which touches on some mechanics stuff from Ao and CS4 but they're not huge spoilers.

    Firstly, Time's spell associations can be seen as including the broad concept of entropy and from that, decay and death. That gets you to stuff like Shadow Spear, Death Spiral and Grim Butterfly. Other ones like Soul Blur and Calamity Edge are described as creating waves that disrupt spacetime in the region of the target. One of the ones you mentioned (Hell Gate) has as its description 'Causes all biological processes to stagnate' which is implicitly an entropy thing rather than strictly a 'opens a hellgate' thing.

    While the elements all have obvious associations based on their names, they also have some associations that aren't nearly so obvious. While we've seen that Aureole's association with Space is pretty obviously paralleled by its displayed powers, Demiourgos is associated with Mirage but its power is essentially over causality rather than illusions/mental phenomenon and Arche Rouge and Lost Seum are respectively the Sept-Terrion of Fire and Earth but their primary powers are control over the soul and over the body respectively. I imagine that the Sept-Terrion of Time is going to be more like Aureole in having an obvious link between its element and displayed powers, but we won't know for sure until whatever game introduces it. My money's on it being the last one of the seven that we see.
    Now all that said, there are a couple things we do know for certain: It's one of the 'higher' elements and only affects the world in specific areas that are abnormal (like all of Phantasma) or when a lot of crazy stuff is going down. It's consequently treated as one of the elements associated Aidios' domain which means it's probably worth keeping an eye on in the long term.
     
  8. AnimeGamer183

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    New Trails From Zero Review is up

     

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